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Mike Smith's avatar

I've historically been suspicious about the "filling in" phrase for the blind spot, but I hadn't heard that there was an active V1 area corresponding to it. Interesting.

Based on what I've read, I tend to think representational thinking is fine, as long as we don't get hung up on the idea that it's a contiguous area in the brain, but instead understand it as a network of activations, portions of which might light up for different representations.

And it pays to think about what representations are more fundamentally. Here I think the predictive coding theories have a lot going for them. In that case, a misrepresentation is a prediction error, which isn't a problem since all predictions are probabilistic. And representational drift (another phenomenon I've seen used to challenge representationalism) is the prediction getting fine tuned and adjusted over time.

But I definitely think we have to be careful about importing too much from digital computing. I get what the dynamical system folks are concerned about. Many of the concepts we bring over, like the idea of information being exchanged between regions, is probably only a hazy approximation of the causal effects propagating through the messy biology.

I will note that the word "representation" has long bugged me. It seems to imply that something is being re-presented to some inner observer, rather than the underlying models used in the process of observation (or imagination as the case may be). But like so much terminology, it seems like we're stuck with it for historical reasons.

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Mike Funnell's avatar

I wonder about the difference between 'misrepresentation' and 'misrecognition' here.

My apologies if I've missed something you've already covered (I've been very busy, and have not caught up.)

But: I'm reminded of an Aboriginal bloke I got to know rather well up north of the Daintree. I'm pretty damned sure he had a good 'representation' of "a crocodile" in his head. He also had a good representation of "a log". His trouble was not 'representation' it was 'recognition' - and the difference could be life-changing or life-ending.

He showed me a lovely, gorgeous, inlet with cool-looking waters on a hot day. I asked him: "how would you know if it's safe to swim there?" - he answered "I'd only trust it safe as the old women told me it was safe".

He was in his 40s, and *very* familiar with the area. Even then, he wouldn't trust his own recognition - only the old women. He told me "I had mates who wouldn't wait for the old women. Croc got 'em. I'll wait."

That was my first thought when I read about "dogs" vs "watering cans"...

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