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Mike Smith's avatar

I like the distinction between measured and meaningful complexity. It addresses a worry I've had about the putative non-complexity of high entropy states. Although it feels like maybe the "meaningful" part may need some scrutiny. What do we mean by it? It could be functional (as in causal), understandable, or something else.

Overall, I think it's right that complexity is necessary for what most of us mean by "consciousness", but it isn't sufficient. My attitude about the various scientific theories, is that many of them capture aspects of the problem but none can justify a claim to being the one and only solution. For those of us who accept that "consciousness" is a hazily defined collection of capabilities, that shouldn't be surprising.

Interesting discussion Suzi, as always!

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Johnnie Burger's avatar

“Whether the cerebellum has absolutely no role in consciousness is still under discussion. Some recent studies suggest it might play a modulatory role in emotion or cognitive function”

It could have self awareness of its own and simply not tell the narrative self about it, other than in crude flags like “I don’t feel so well”, or “I feel hungry”.

To me, consciousness is like self-awareness, which presupposes attention. In flow states all attention is placed on an absorbing task and the awareness of self reduces. Unconscious tasks of attention by the brain may be like a first stomach, predigesting information so the aware self can ‘ruminate’

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