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Phil Tanny's avatar

Do waves on the ocean exist? Do waves have any property which defines them as being unique and separate from water, and the energy moving through the water?

Ocean waves might be best described as a pattern. The pattern is real, but it doesn't exist in the sense that it has no weight or mass. Like math, or the laws of physics. Or like the vast majority of reality at every scale, space. Real, but non existent.

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Wyrd Smythe's avatar

Good article!

I differentiate materialism from physicalism based on, respectively, weak versus strong emergence (and align with the latter). I think there are emergent properties that are real and cannot be explained by their low-level properties. (As one of the most complicated and amazing emergent properties, I think consciousness easily fits in the category.) Per your questions: No (just the fundamental level); Not always, but with the brain, maybe; Yes, absolutely; No to "inconsistent", but yes to "totally new" (higher properties must be consistent with lower ones but can be unexpected).

That framework reminds me vaguely of Plato's divided line. Your "macro level" corresponds with the classical physics level. That division between the fundamental quantum world and the emergent classical one being one of the greatest mysteries in science. Besides consciousness perhaps one of the most urgent places the question of strong emergence arises.

If unicorns aren't real, how is it we all know exactly what the word refers to? If money and marriage are constructs, aren't unicorns as well? 🦄😊

My question when it comes to functionalism is what implements the function? What does the doing? It doesn't seem helpful to view spacetime that way. I take functionalism to be about equivalence between, for instance, our brains and something that replicates their function. A functionalist approach to spacetime suggests to me the notion of something else replicating that functionality.

Looking forward to reading more!

(I hope you'll forgive this: Quarks *are* leptons. One might say "quarks and electrons" to stay in the realm of matter, or "quarks and photons" to cover both particle bases.)

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