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Mike Smith's avatar

Very nice intro on Ramsey sentences, and in using them to distinguish LLMs from brains!

On intelligence, as a functionalist, I'm in the blurry line group myself, although I like to think of it as a spectrum. But LLMs are still very far apart from animals, much less humans, on that spectrum. And prediction is the underlying functionality, but that's a relatively low level description of animal intelligence. In other words, we can have higher levels of organization that use prediction. And as you describe, LLMs are still missing most of that.

LLMs are very cool technology. But this rush to declare them like minds is not doing the AI industry any favors in terms of credibility. I don't think there's anything in principle stopping us from eventually having artificial minds, but we should be honest about where we are.

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Drew Raybold's avatar

I have seen the style of rhetoric employed in this Noema article before: it takes advantage of the looseness and polysemic nature of everyday language to stitch together some ideas that do not fit together all that well, leading to a conclusion which looks both solid and profound, until you look at how it was made. Specifically, this one broadens 'computation' to encompass just about any causal process, and by squeezing intelligence into the 'prediction' bucket, it encourages us to pay no attention to how different intelligence is from a host of simple systems which can also be stuffed into the same bucket.

For example, the authors jump from an analogy between DNA and the tapes needed for a Universal Turing Machine to the conclusion "Von Neumann had shown that life is inherently computational", ignoring the fact that you need quite a bit more than tapes to make UTMs, and you need quite a bit more than DNA to have life.

At this point, you may be thinking that the claim can be rescued by being more thorough in one's analogies, and I believe it is true to say that cellular biochemistry contains all the mechanisms needed to make a UTM. The problem here, however, is not that the claim is unjustifiable, but that it is not useful: if you are persuaded that life really is inherently computational, then the claim which really matters here - that intelligence (at least biological intelligence) is computational - falls out as a given, but what this line of thought fails to do is make any real progress towards an understanding of what intelligence is and how it works.

Again, you might be thinking "what about neural nets? In their case, a biological analogy seems to have been very useful." I agree, but one can make that analogy without any reference to DNA, and it does not require one's acceptance of the very broad claim that life is inherently computational, either.

More or less the same can be said for defining intelligence as prediction: there are many not-very-smart systems which can be described as predictive (for example, my house's thermostat 'predicts' that unless the heat is turned on, the temperature will fall below its set value.) My understanding of how thermostats work tells me nothing about intelligence.

This sort of rhetoric can be thought-provoking, but one should not take it too literally.

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