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Mike Smith's avatar

I tend to see information as causation, or maybe more precisely, patterns that are a snapshot of causal processes. The meaning of information comes from the causal light cone that converges on those patterns and its relationship to the potential future light cone that could result.

In that sense, I think our practice of separating information from action, as we do with contemporary computing devices, is more a reflection of how we think and what is easier for us to understand. But biology doesn't seem to make that distinction. Information in DNA, neurons, and synapses, isn't just passive static patterns, but actors. Of course, we could interpret that as information being the wrong paradigm to understand what's happening. But I think a more productive one is accepting that it is information, but also action. At least that's what I think today.

On the butterfly navigation routes, it doesn't seem like the butterfly's genome could or needs to have the entire route encoded. What seems more likely is the butterfly's brain has reactions and dispositions to patterns that occur on the routes, and those dispositions are side effects of the affects of their genes on patterns in the environment. From what I've read, genes depend heavily on those patterns in the surrounding environment to have their phenotypic effects. So it's not just the genes, but the repeating patterns around them (in cells, tissue, organs, the environment, etc).

Fascinating discussion Suzi, as always!

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Wyrd Smythe's avatar

Your post gives me an excuse to whip out one of my all-time favorite quotes: "We are drowning in information, but we are starved for knowledge." ~John Naisbitt

Which perhaps points out that "information" is one of those words that depends heavily on "what you mean (by 'information')." 'Data' seems to me to be merely a numeric description of something. 'Information' seems a bigger category somehow, seems to contain things not necessarily readily quantified. ('Knowledge' seems an even bigger category.) So, I think it's hard to talk about 'information' without a lot of qualification about exactly what kind is meant.

As an aside, it's axiomatic in physics that information can never be destroyed, but it's an axiom I've come to believe may not always apply. And I wonder about the converse. Can information be *created* or does this axiom imply all the information about the current state of the universe is implicit in the Big Bang? If physics ever decided information *can* be destroyed, it would solve the black hole information paradox.

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