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Eric Borg's avatar

Where else do we explain the existence of a mysterious dynamic, by means of seeing if people can be tricked into believing it exists? This might be the only case. Imagine if scientists were to ascertain the nature of earthquakes on the basis of whether or not people happen to believe they’re in an earthquake. Here they might put people an a room that’s motorized to shake, and if people in the room can be made to believe that they’re experiencing an earthquake, then scientists could claim that they had discovered what earthquakes happen to be! Seems kind of backwards, doesn’t it? So just as science learned about plate tectonics, couldn’t there to be something more to consciousness than tricking people into believing it exists in a given case?

One of many bizarre elements of this whole thing is that the human brain is widely regarded to be a ridiculously complex machine that’s well beyond anything in our neck of the universe, and yet we don’t just ponder that our vastly more simple machines could replicate snail, spider, bird, or dog consciousness. Instead we speculate that our simple machines may essentially create the consciousness equivalent of a highly educated human.

The ultimate fallacy behind all this, I think, exists in basic liberties that have been taken regarding the physics of computers and their information. Here consciousness is presumed to exist as processed information in itself — no need for that information to inform anything appropriate. So it could exist in the form of the right marks on paper converted to the right other marks on paper. Or more standardly, “in the cloud”. If information only exists as such to the extent that it informs something appropriate however, then processed brain information will need to inform some sort of consciousness physics in order to exist. That would be bad news for the mind uploading theme that has become such a prominent aspect of modern imaginations. Furthermore any such consciousness physics ought to be empirically identifiable by observing actual brain function. I expect such work to straighten this business out soon enough, though obviously hampered by how prominent sci-fi dreams happens to be.

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Terry underwood's avatar

I find comparing the movie Her and Ex Machina pretty interesting. First off, the fact that the test of AI’s consciousness has little to do with logic and reasoning and everything to do with the four Fs. In the case of Ava, there is a body. In the case of Samantha, there is no body. Samantha bodiless becomes Everyman’s girlfriend—an I Dream of Genie fulfillment of male fantasies. In Ava’s case Ava is in full regalia (body wise) and is a deceiver, a man hater, leaving Caleb and Nathan locked inside a comfortable concentration camp. In some ways I think these films raise the question of gendered consciousness. Idk if this is clearer articulated, but these two movies exist side by side in my head.

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