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Tina Lee Forsee's avatar

Great breakdown of the scientific view of consciousness and the intricacies of what that word even means. I especially like the inclusion of the phrase, "neural correlates of consciousness", since so many articles out there seem to just leave that off, which can give the impression to those who aren't aware of these issues that science is somehow tapping directly into phenomenal consciousness. So many obnoxious quibbles could be prevented with that simple upfront admission!

The question of contentless consciousness is an interesting one. I think you may have provided a hint in saying the overlap between states of consciousness and contents of consciousness is inevitable.

From a 1st person phenomenal perspective it seems truly contentless consciousness is when we're unconscious, as in a dreamless sleep. Another way of putting it is that we can know about our own state of unconsciousness only indirectly and in retrospect. It can't be remembered as an experience...there's nothing to conjure up. Being "unconscious" from the experiencer's point of view is almost theoretical; you go to bed, you wake up. When you went to bed, it was dark. When you woke up, the sun was shining. Clearly time has passed, but you weren't there to experience time's passage; you can only infer it. It's somewhat disconcerting when you think about it!

Which makes me wonder whether the meditator who speaks of contentless consciousness means something not quite empty of content. It's hard to imagine having experience at all, even if that's the bare condition of being conscious, without some sense of the passage of time, however strange or distorted that may be as compared to a normal experience of time. If you picture the world disappearing with nothing whatsoever to experience in it, there would still be your own experience of your own thoughts in motion...passing through internal time (as opposed to clock time). If you can make these thoughts stop...or even make them disappear, what is it that notices the disappearance or total absence of thought? It seems there must be at least the sense that the thoughts could be there, but they're not...right now. Which is itself a thought moving, so to speak, through time. Then again, I could be wrong. I'm certainly no meditator!

Extrapolating from the above about dreamless sleep, it seems that if you truly experienced timelessness, you wouldn't be able to remember it. At least not as something you directly experienced...unless there's some reason to exclude time as a kind of content?

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Wyrd Smythe's avatar

As I started reading this post, it occurred to me that I could just go ahead and click the Like button right now, because your posts bat 1.000 with me. And ee-yup, your batting average remains unsullied!

In answer to your questions, my speculation is that neither self nor content is absolutely necessary for consciousness. The brain-in-a-jar notion seems viable, at least in principle, though I do wonder how much simulated inputs would be necessary for the mind to remain stable. Some SF authors have imagined scenarios of disembodied consciousness, and some of those have seemed plausible to me.

As to content, there was an analogy I read once that I wish I could remember better. It was along the lines of comparing consciousness to a projected movie. Not referencing the notion of an inner homunculus watching, just that the movie represented our consciousness (perhaps along the lines of GWT). The analogy also invoked the idea of the projector being on with no film (content) running through it. "Pure consciousness" then being the white light of the projector. So, maybe consciousness is possible without content?

As an off topic aside, you mentioned "that little voice in your head, always chattering away", and it made me wonder what you thought of those who claim to have no inner voice. (Actually, maybe not so off topic if it somehow connects a little with the idea of contentless consciousness.) It seems that most, me included, find the claim of a lack of inner voice questionable.

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